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Identifiers (10) :
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C* 2544 | 2MASS J18113526-1951311 | TIC 115949631 | Gaia DR3 4094313025308084736 |
Case 613 | S1* 548 | UCAC2 24181593 | |
CGCS 3964 | SSTGLMC G010.8120-00.5777 | Gaia DR2 4094313025308084736 |
References (8 between 1850 and 2024) (Total 8)
Simbad bibliographic survey began in 1850 for stars (at least bright stars) and in 1983 for all other objects (outside the solar system). Follow new references on this object |
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CGCS 3964 | 2MASS J18113526-1951311 | SSTGLMC G010.8120-00.5777 | UCAC2 24181593 | Gaia DR2 4094313025308084736 |
Gaia DR3 4094313025308084736 |
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Notes (2) :
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:52:35 +0000 From: "D. Jack MacConnell" To: Catherine Brunet CC: Pascal Dubois , Brian Skiff <Brian.Skiff@lowe ll.edu>, "D. Jack MacConnell"
Chere Catherine:
Hello again. I have another couple of fixes for red stars to be made in SIMBAD. First, the simplest one: S1* 548 should be removed entirely as a separate record since it appears in Table 2, "Stars that have been published as S but probably or definitely are not" of C.B. Stephenson's 2nd edition of his S star catalogue. It turns out this star is also in his carbon star cat. where he calls it 'almost an SC star'. The identifier S1* 548 could appear under C* 2544 = CGCS 3964 since they are the same star even though it was called S in one list and C in another, but Stephenson preferred it to be among the C stars. However, there are some problems with the entry for C* 2544 = CGCS 3964 = C 613: there are records for 3 separate stars here. The C star (please call it Spectral type SC: ) is at J2000 18 11 35.263 -19 51 31.14 (2UCAC 24181593) and is not an IRAS source; HaroChavira 69 = IRAS 18089-1953 is an M9 star on my near-ir plates and is at the position J2000 18 11 56.9 -19 52 22 provided by B. Skiff in 1999IBVS.4678....1S (but is not = CGCS 3964), and UBV 15453 is a 3rd star which is much bluer than these and = GEN# +6.91507908.
I hope this will be clear for you to decipher. Thanks for your attention.
Best wishes,
- Jack
Subject: Re: mix-up over red stars Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:15:18 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Skiff To: , ,
Thanks for the details on this minor mess. It looks as though I am to blame for the erroneous ID of CGCS 3964 = HaroChavira 69, which appeared in my IBVS flyer on the H-C stars. I have re-verified the H-C star using Chavira's chart, so at least I got that part right (modest improvement in coords shown below). I did not notice the Sanders star, or maybe ignored it, probably because I couldn't tell where it came from at the time. I made a corrected list for those stars, too, some time ago, but evidently did not find the alternate ID lurking in the carbon-star entry. Looking at the SIMBAD entries, I see that the biblio for the two red stars is mixed along with the various names. I parse it like so:
C* 2544 = Case 613 = CGCS 3964 (= UCAC2 24181593): 18 11 35.26 -19 51 31.1 (J2000, UCAC2) mv=14.0 (GSC-2.2), spec type SC: (1989PW&SO...3...53S)
biblio: 2001BaltA..10....1A 1989PW&SO...3...53S 1973PW&SO...1d...1S 1957ApJ...125..195N
HaroChavira 69 = IRAS 18089-1953: 18 11 56.97 -19 52 19.9 (J2000, 2MASS) mv=15.3 (GSC-2.2), spec type M9 (MacC, priv comm)
— UBV data block moves to GEN# +6.91507908
biblio: 2004A&A...413.1037K 2002A&A...386..492R 2002A&A...382..178R ⟵- the IRAS source is a 20mas binary 1999IBVS.4678....1S 1997ApJS..112..557K 1967BOTT....4..197C
UBV 15453 = GEN# +6.91507908 (etc) coords etc for GEN entry are okay, biblio okay
— S1* 548 to be deleted — is orphan name CSI-19-18086 for the carbon star? (or delete ?)
\Brian
Subject: Re: C* 2544 - almost correct but... Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:52:32 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Skiff To: CC: ,
In re the duplicity of HaroChavira 69, Richichi et al. specifically observed a lunar occultation of the IRAS source, which is not the car rbon star but instead H-C 69. Since there was the confusion, I looked in the paper itself to see what was actually observed. Only a single event was measured, so the binary is unconfirmed, but the authors seemed confident in the result.
\Brian
please update the Spectral type entry to SC: which is what Stephenson> called it.
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